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kargicq
Nov. 22nd, 2011 03:52 pm (UTC)
Looked at the first of these. If it's true that many of the "Occupy London" protesters come from well-off backgrounds, not sure why this invalidates their argument in some way. If left-wing people have a go at the current cabinet, implying their opinions are invalid because they were all educated at Eton and have massive trust funds, then right-wing people sneer at the pathetic resorting to ad-hominem attacks...

Neuromancer
bunn
Nov. 22nd, 2011 04:05 pm (UTC)
I wondered how they knew this was a protester (and also, whether it was a posed photo of the journalist who wrote the outraged copy, sending in his story. Which would be sneakily circular).
philmophlegm
Nov. 22nd, 2011 04:19 pm (UTC)
Well, one difference would be that the Occupy protesters are supposedly speaking on behalf of the "99%". If you can afford a nice shiny MacBook Pro, in global terms you're probably in the top 1%.

This doesn't in itself invalidate their argument, but it doesn't help their cause with those in the 99% who have to work for a living, and don't have the time to sit around in tents all day.
kargicq
Nov. 22nd, 2011 09:49 pm (UTC)
I interpreted that as being on behalf of the 99% of us in the UK who earn less than £150k. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom#Percentile_points_for_income_of_individuals_before_tax).

Neuromancer
philmophlegm
Nov. 22nd, 2011 11:34 pm (UTC)
But it's a supposedly global protest - I must admit that's why I interpreted it as global.
kargicq
Nov. 23rd, 2011 06:23 am (UTC)
It's global in the sense that it's happening in lots of developed countries where the bankers seem to be carrying on drawing 4 million pound salaries despite having wrecked the economy. I don't think it's really about Africa, this one... - N.
philmophlegm
Nov. 23rd, 2011 11:52 am (UTC)
Surely it's unfair to blame "the bankers" for having "wrecked the economy"?

I would have thought that only a few bankers are culpable in that, and even then, they come well down the list after:
i) western governments in the last fifteen years or so that allowed public sector borrowing to get out of hand at precisely the time (in a boom) when it should have been in surplus;
ii) private individuals in western countries who borrowed money from the banks and never paid it back;
iii) public sector unions in western nations who argued for greater public sector expenditure (and the politicians who gave it to them, many of whom were in the pay of those same public sector unions);
iv) credit rating agencies who failed to grasp the complexity of some of the key commercial debt instruments they were rating;
v) certain European governments in the 1990s who pushed for monetary union in the EU despite warnings from some economists that this was a really bad idea.

I'd put bankers only sixth in a list of people to blame for the current state of the world economy, and then only a small number of them. These would be the traders who failed to understand the underlying risk of some of the financial instruments being traded and those in senior management positions who set remuneration packages that rewarded returns without taking into account risk. The vast majority of bankers were just doing their job, and were probably doing it pretty well.
bunn
Nov. 22nd, 2011 04:02 pm (UTC)
Re: don't mention the war - I wonder if all the people convinced the removal of HMS Belfast must have been deliberate have ever actually designed a poster?

It seemed entirely likely to me that someone might remove her because they wanted to run text over that part of the image, then because that was the first poster in the run they did, they used the same background reference image that they'd already done all the other processing to, and forgot to put her back in.

My guess would be that the person that photoshopped her out didn't realise she had any historic implications. I *strongly* suspect that they thought she was just a big boat in the wrong place. :-D
philmophlegm
Nov. 22nd, 2011 07:39 pm (UTC)
Yes, that's what I thought...
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