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yamamanama
Sep. 3rd, 2014 11:51 pm (UTC)
I don't think we need any more Sad Puppies campaigns. They already proved to the world what a shitty writer Vox Day was, no need to do it again. It didn't even deflate Vox Day's ego.
jordan179
Sep. 4th, 2014 05:35 am (UTC)
As always, Andrew Marston of Marshfield MA, you have a laser-like focus on the wrong point. The Sad Puppies campaign included Mr. Beale's work; that was hardly its center.
yamamanama
Sep. 4th, 2014 12:50 pm (UTC)
As always... what is your real name, anyway? Stalky McGee? I'll just call you Stalky McGee.

Dave Freer can justify the trouncing all he wants.
jordan179
Sep. 4th, 2014 02:05 pm (UTC)
As always... what is your real name, anyway? Stalky McGee? I'll just call you Stalky McGee.

I've stated it more than once online. Here are two hints:

"Jordan179" has my first name in it.

"JSBassior2001@yahoo.com" has my last name in it.

There, and you even get my middle initial for free.

I think I've even mentioned my full middle name online.

And I'm the only "Jordan Bassior" in the United States of America. Probably North America. Possibly the whole freaking world.

Dave Freer can justify the trouncing all he wants.

"Trouncing" of who by whom?
yamamanama
Sep. 4th, 2014 02:41 pm (UTC)
Whatever. I dunno, let's just say your name is Stalky McGee.

The trouncing of Vox Day by No Award and the trouncing of the rest of the Sad Puppies Slate by everyone else.

It's not going to destroy the credibility of the awards to anyone outside the Mad Genius Club and their followers.
yamamanama
Sep. 4th, 2014 02:53 pm (UTC)
Because apparently you need everything explained to you.
parrot_knight
Sep. 4th, 2014 12:14 am (UTC)
While I dislike the divisiveness many of those looking for a more inclusive SF world often accidentally propagate, I think Toni Weisskopf's American exceptionalism just as accidentally undermines her argument - the culture wars have been exported by the American right as much as if not more than the left, and have cross-fertilised with the political ideas of other countries and new generations. Tackle this, and there might be progress.
jordan179
Sep. 4th, 2014 05:34 am (UTC)
"More inclusive" than what? Science fiction fandom was never hostile to ethnic or religious minorities, even back in the days when the larger culture was. Science fiction stories assumed a color-blind world when segregation was still the law of the land in the American South. As for going "beyond a binary concept of gender," that was pioneered by Theodore Sturgeon in the 1940's and 1950's, picked up by many writers in the 1950's and 1960's, and became fairly standard by the 1970's.

All "those looking for a more inclusive SF world" are demonstrating is their profound ignorance of the field they criticize. And the "divisiveness" is fully-intentional -- if not, why has WisCon reintroduced racial segregation?
jordan179
Sep. 4th, 2014 05:37 am (UTC)
I think Toni Weisskopf's American exceptionalism just as accidentally undermines her argument - the culture wars have been exported by the American right as much as if not more than the left, and have cross-fertilised with the political ideas of other countries and new generations. Tackle this, and there might be progress.

I don't even begin to grasp your point. How is "Toni Weisskopf's American exceptionalism" a problem preventing "progress?" And progress from what point to what other point? "Progress" by itself is a meaningless concept.
bunn
Sep. 4th, 2014 01:04 pm (UTC)
"Larry Correian fisking the village idiot is rather like Stephen Hawking arguing about cosmology with the cast of The Only Way is Essex."

Kind of slow, a bit frustrating, and not really moving the conversation on in any way that is meaningful to all participants...?
philmophlegm
Sep. 4th, 2014 04:52 pm (UTC)
I was thinking more along the lines of brilliantly argued, but you can't help laughing when he does it...
davesmusictank
Sep. 6th, 2014 08:34 pm (UTC)
Please no more sad puppy tales or my cat will get her claws out to scratch the next puppy she sees.
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